I work a lot more than 10 hours a week, but I love my work, and I wouldn't have found this path without Project Mojave.

Nowhere does anyone in Mojave promise quick riches. There is a suggestion that consistent income can be made in three months, and that's entirely realistic.

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A common marketing tactic is to either create natural search results or buy AdWords for search terms that add "scam" on the end, which often advertise the very product or a competitor. For instance, if you Google "frank kern scam" the first natural result goes to an article advertising a competitor. In this case, since Frank Kern actually has been caught scamming by the FTC, the second result links to information about that.

The products themselves are usually not described fully until late stages in the marketing hype, after customers are ready to buy. With so much disinformation and confusion, it becomes nearly impossible to evaluate such products rationally.

I've covered Tony Robbins' strategies (copied from Frank Kern and others) here on Beyond Growth: http://bit.ly/wuJta

I’ve seen thousands of sup-par ebooks out there. The ebook model was originally created by internet marketers as a product they could create with little to no overhead which worked very well with the long-form sales letter funnel model. If you are so well researched and you believe your content is so worthwhile, why not sell it for a reasonable price in line with hard-cover books (say $27)? You sell it for more because you can get away with it using the persuasive marketing techniques that you use. Something is wrong here Andy. If I could program you with a long-form sales letter to paypal me $47 and in return I give you absolutely nothing other than the satisfaction of giving me the money, would that be ethical for me to do? How is it the same if they get a product of questionable value?

Where's the proof? Where's your product, your sales funnel? If you claim you are ethical, stop telling us the story about it, and show us your product!

Andy, perhaps you are the exception. I’m willing to accept that, however I am entirely unsure why you are taking this personally considering I have not directed any of my discourse specifically at you up until this point. I have never interacted with you before, nor have I attacked you directly in any way in the past. If you are the exception, then none of my comments are directed at you and I don’t really think you are any kind of person, other than someone I do not know.

Give me some specifics, and then we can talk about whether you specifically apply to my generalizations about Clay’s student’s products.

I strongly believe that selling $47 ebooks is unethical, unless it were say 500 pages and well beyond what you get from an ordinary book written by a professional author. If you are so well researched and your book is worth so much, I challenge you to call up some publishers and get your book in their hands. That should be interesting.

I just wanted to chime in here as an amateur author who has created an ebook worth much more than $47 in just a few more than seven days. I am a member of Project Mojave and a hell of a nice guy. I also happen to know a shit load (technical unit of measure) about the subject of my product.

The content I created is not "out there for free," and it's through Clay's encouragement that I decided to create something of value rather than slapping together another "Six Pack Secrets" program. I also enlisted the help of other experts to review the final product before releasing it to the public. In other words, there was an editorial process, and I am an extremely well researched author.

Mind you, I'm not seeking spiritual freedom from Project Mojave. I would like to be out of debt, and with Clay's help, I'm getting there.

I don't think you can make the assumption that my freedom requires my customers to be dissatisfied. In fact, I can tell you that all of them are quite satisfied with their purchases so far.

I guess what I'm trying to say with all of this is that you have no basis for judging what "Most of these people are creating," and it's value to our customers. You also have no basis for making generalizations about the editorial process for products you have not seen. That's pure assumption based on your fantasy about the types of people who might be involved in an online business course. Maybe we could have a beer together, and then you can tell me what kind of person you think I am.

As the topic of your original post was Jonathan Mead's manifesto, perhaps I should comment on that as well. It didn't speak to me. In fact, very little of what Jonathan says speaks to me. But that's cool. I can still learn from Clay and Jonathan and the other faculty and members.

I agree with several of your critiques of the manifesto, though I can knowledgeably assert that Project Mojave does attempt to fulfill its promises. Since it's not mine to defend, I'll let Jonathan respond to the critique for himself. Still, to judge everyone involved with Project Mojave on the basis of Jonathan's writing is poor logic at best.

I'm looking forward to your next articles and the continuing development of Beyond Growth.

Most of the content these people are creating is out there for free already anyway. Your methods are not exactly encouraging people got go out and create products of great value. Don't get me wrong, there are great full-length ebooks out there which are worth the money, but seriously, 7 days? So what is worth more Clay, the freedom of your clients, or the satisfaction of their customers? What is freedom anyway? It is a socially defined thing, it is intangible, it is likely not possible for your clients to gain, because the freedom they want is perhaps spiritual, and what you are offering in many ways is superficial and temporary.

I'm not sure why I would want to get rick quick, however as far as your get rich quick comments go, we will just have to agree to disagree, just as I wrote to Mead.