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		<title>By: Joy Livingwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joy Livingwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 01:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Eric! 
 
&gt; I am advocating that as individuals we learn the programming language of the mind, instead of installing software of the self that do not account for our own personal, subjective experience of life. 
 
I totally agree. I got consistently poor results (and exacerbated my problems) trying to &quot;install software&quot; from someone else. I&#039;ve gotten consistently good results from learning to build and install my own upgrades (mostly using hypnosis and NLP). 
 
I regard gurus and guru-worship as inherently problematic. Seeking external authority for one&#039;s life, seeking to give up responsibility for oneself and one&#039;s life rather than embrace responsibility, giving up critical thinking in order to accept someone else&#039;s world view, are guaranteed to CREATE problems, regardless of the content of the teachings/practices/ideologies one embraces. 
 
Guru-teach -- ANY -- guru-teach is a fish: a limited meal that will run out. Learning the skills that make you resourceful in ANY circumstances can keep you fed for life. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Eric! </p>
<p>&gt; I am advocating that as individuals we learn the programming language of the mind, instead of installing software of the self that do not account for our own personal, subjective experience of life. </p>
<p>I totally agree. I got consistently poor results (and exacerbated my problems) trying to &quot;install software&quot; from someone else. I&#039;ve gotten consistently good results from learning to build and install my own upgrades (mostly using hypnosis and NLP). </p>
<p>I regard gurus and guru-worship as inherently problematic. Seeking external authority for one&#039;s life, seeking to give up responsibility for oneself and one&#039;s life rather than embrace responsibility, giving up critical thinking in order to accept someone else&#039;s world view, are guaranteed to CREATE problems, regardless of the content of the teachings/practices/ideologies one embraces. </p>
<p>Guru-teach &#8212; ANY &#8212; guru-teach is a fish: a limited meal that will run out. Learning the skills that make you resourceful in ANY circumstances can keep you fed for life.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Roman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Roman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your software + operating system analogy is 99% spot on (and I work in software product development.)   
 
Unlike the dominance of the Windows OS in personal computing, each and every one of us runs a different internal OS, based on multiple layers of code written through the years, all surrounding a &quot;kernel&quot; based on genetics and formative experiences too far back to remember. And to make it even more difficult, that OS is constantly being adapted based on current experience and emotion.  (As an aside, I&#039;m reading Vaillant&#039;s &quot;Adaptation to Life&quot; currently.) 
 
These days everyone - developer and Luddite alike - intuitively understands that Mac programs don&#039;t run on Windows, yet we expect that if we pay enough some guru will give us a secret program that will work on our own internal operating system. 
 
Based on my own personal experience and experimentation, it wasn&#039;t until I started doing some serious therapy (internal anthropology!) that I was able to even understand the concept of my internal OS and begin mapping its routines and sub-routines.  While this self-exploration is a process that I expect to continue forever, it has already paid dividends in my ability to integrate what I know about personal development with my own capabilities and limitations and &quot;refactor&quot; some of my old programming into better outcomes. 
 
To further borrow terminology from software development (specifically the Agile world) I&#039;ve realized that good facilitators and heuristics are more useful than great gurus and algorithms.     
 
 
 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your software + operating system analogy is 99% spot on (and I work in software product development.)   </p>
<p>Unlike the dominance of the Windows OS in personal computing, each and every one of us runs a different internal OS, based on multiple layers of code written through the years, all surrounding a &quot;kernel&quot; based on genetics and formative experiences too far back to remember. And to make it even more difficult, that OS is constantly being adapted based on current experience and emotion.  (As an aside, I&#039;m reading Vaillant&#039;s &quot;Adaptation to Life&quot; currently.) </p>
<p>These days everyone &#8211; developer and Luddite alike &#8211; intuitively understands that Mac programs don&#039;t run on Windows, yet we expect that if we pay enough some guru will give us a secret program that will work on our own internal operating system. </p>
<p>Based on my own personal experience and experimentation, it wasn&#039;t until I started doing some serious therapy (internal anthropology!) that I was able to even understand the concept of my internal OS and begin mapping its routines and sub-routines.  While this self-exploration is a process that I expect to continue forever, it has already paid dividends in my ability to integrate what I know about personal development with my own capabilities and limitations and &quot;refactor&quot; some of my old programming into better outcomes. </p>
<p>To further borrow terminology from software development (specifically the Agile world) I&#039;ve realized that good facilitators and heuristics are more useful than great gurus and algorithms.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Hatton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Hatton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 05:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is so true.  It isn&#039;t until we realize that different things work for different people differently.  That is why the ultimate &quot;growth&quot; needs to come from within.  These people who were begging to get outside to get some air had an uncomfortable feeling inside that led them to do something that ultimately left them ostracized by their leader.  We need to remember not to let that voice within be dominated by that voice of the &quot;guru.&quot;  Always trust the voice within.  If their is confusion from within, then meditate on it till the confusion dissipates.  It is okay to ask others for guidance, but the guidance MUST resonate from within.  If it doesn&#039;t then do not trust it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is so true.  It isn&#039;t until we realize that different things work for different people differently.  That is why the ultimate &quot;growth&quot; needs to come from within.  These people who were begging to get outside to get some air had an uncomfortable feeling inside that led them to do something that ultimately left them ostracized by their leader.  We need to remember not to let that voice within be dominated by that voice of the &quot;guru.&quot;  Always trust the voice within.  If their is confusion from within, then meditate on it till the confusion dissipates.  It is okay to ask others for guidance, but the guidance MUST resonate from within.  If it doesn&#039;t then do not trust it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Hatton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Hatton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 05:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that most people will come to a point that they realize that their isn&#039;t a short cut to their own personal growth.  There will always be gurus who will say that they can fix your problems, but invariably, everyone finds out that no one really fixes our problems - eventually, we find that we have to fix them ourselves.   
 
All things happen for a reason.  Something like this is helping people second-guess their trust in &quot;gurus.&quot;  It is making them wonder about alternatives.  Yes, it was at the cost of lives, but all things happen in perfection.  I have certainly learned something from my time with so-called gurus - that is while they may help lead me in the direction I need to move spiritually, I am the one who needs to make the eventual giant personal leap of going inward for my answers rather than looking for them somewhere outside of myself. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that most people will come to a point that they realize that their isn&#039;t a short cut to their own personal growth.  There will always be gurus who will say that they can fix your problems, but invariably, everyone finds out that no one really fixes our problems &#8211; eventually, we find that we have to fix them ourselves.   </p>
<p>All things happen for a reason.  Something like this is helping people second-guess their trust in &quot;gurus.&quot;  It is making them wonder about alternatives.  Yes, it was at the cost of lives, but all things happen in perfection.  I have certainly learned something from my time with so-called gurus &#8211; that is while they may help lead me in the direction I need to move spiritually, I am the one who needs to make the eventual giant personal leap of going inward for my answers rather than looking for them somewhere outside of myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;m in favour of the least work for the greatest results.   
 
The problem with the gurus I think is that they believe their experience works for all.  Consider the phrase: It worked for me so it will for you (all of you).  This certainly has integrity but its dangers as well. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#039;m in favour of the least work for the greatest results.   </p>
<p>The problem with the gurus I think is that they believe their experience works for all.  Consider the phrase: It worked for me so it will for you (all of you).  This certainly has integrity but its dangers as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Goss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Goss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simply, it&#039;s about syncing up common sense (like NOT fasting for 36-hours BEFORE getting into a sweat lodge) with critical-thinking. Like asking yourself: In my quest to learn the secrets of the ages, how far am I warping my reality and removing myself from grounded, practical living? 
 
Heather and I, in our work as past metaphysical investigators, have seen, so, so many spiritual enthusiast go over-board with their efforts.  
 
Always striving to &quot;ascend&quot; and &quot;evolve&quot; only sets people up to be DISCONTENT with their lives while they&#039;re here, on this physical plane. And, as evidenced by this event, it sets them up to get into dangerous situations. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simply, it&#039;s about syncing up common sense (like NOT fasting for 36-hours BEFORE getting into a sweat lodge) with critical-thinking. Like asking yourself: In my quest to learn the secrets of the ages, how far am I warping my reality and removing myself from grounded, practical living? </p>
<p>Heather and I, in our work as past metaphysical investigators, have seen, so, so many spiritual enthusiast go over-board with their efforts.  </p>
<p>Always striving to &quot;ascend&quot; and &quot;evolve&quot; only sets people up to be DISCONTENT with their lives while they&#039;re here, on this physical plane. And, as evidenced by this event, it sets them up to get into dangerous situations.</p>
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		<title>By: The Strangest Paradox – Parental Influences &#124; Personal Development - UrbanMonk.Net</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Strangest Paradox – Parental Influences &#124; Personal Development - UrbanMonk.Net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] One of my favourite blogs is Beyond Growth, by Duff McDuffee and Eric Shiller. They’re certainly not afraid to speak their mind, and indeed their goals are to critique, expand and explore the field of personal development. This keeps all the gurus and teachers responsible for what they say and do.  A recent post: Synthesization of Money and Mind [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] One of my favourite blogs is Beyond Growth, by Duff McDuffee and Eric Shiller. They’re certainly not afraid to speak their mind, and indeed their goals are to critique, expand and explore the field of personal development. This keeps all the gurus and teachers responsible for what they say and do.  A recent post: Synthesization of Money and Mind [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler Prete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyler Prete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, I believe you more than lightly alluded to it.  They don&#039;t work, and I am in complete agreement with that.  I was just asserting something you no doubt already know, that most people are after shortcuts.  And I believe it goes much deeper than pop-personal development causes.  James Arthur Ray is primarily a symptom, I agree, but by asserting that the magic pill is real, that you&#039;ll walk away from his seminars with secret knowledge that will change your life forever, he&#039;s also part of the cause.  He&#039;s a charlatan; they&#039;ve been around as long as writing, and no doubt longer, and even then people were looking for magic pills.  Think of them like drug dealers, they only profit by filling a supposed need. But by filling it, they increase and perpetuate the need, making massive profits off the dependency. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, I believe you more than lightly alluded to it.  They don&#039;t work, and I am in complete agreement with that.  I was just asserting something you no doubt already know, that most people are after shortcuts.  And I believe it goes much deeper than pop-personal development causes.  James Arthur Ray is primarily a symptom, I agree, but by asserting that the magic pill is real, that you&#039;ll walk away from his seminars with secret knowledge that will change your life forever, he&#039;s also part of the cause.  He&#039;s a charlatan; they&#039;ve been around as long as writing, and no doubt longer, and even then people were looking for magic pills.  Think of them like drug dealers, they only profit by filling a supposed need. But by filling it, they increase and perpetuate the need, making massive profits off the dependency.</p>
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		<title>By: EricSchiller</title>
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		<dc:creator>EricSchiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 08:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Integralmath, 
 
I think the guru is somewhat at fault.  If they were to offer subjectivity, they probably wouldn&#039;t be much of a guru or sustain any real power.  As I said in another comment on this post, I think gurus are mostly a symptom, not a cause.  I realize that most people are working on low level software of the mind, and need things to be explained in certain ways, but often times pop-personal development does not offer higher level technologies, and has a tendency to &#039;trap&#039; people at certain levels of development.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Integralmath, </p>
<p>I think the guru is somewhat at fault.  If they were to offer subjectivity, they probably wouldn&#039;t be much of a guru or sustain any real power.  As I said in another comment on this post, I think gurus are mostly a symptom, not a cause.  I realize that most people are working on low level software of the mind, and need things to be explained in certain ways, but often times pop-personal development does not offer higher level technologies, and has a tendency to &#039;trap&#039; people at certain levels of development.</p>
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		<title>By: EricSchiller</title>
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		<dc:creator>EricSchiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 07:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tyler,  
 
As a lightly alluded to in this post, I don&#039;t think the cookie cutter offerings really work.  I for one am not concerned with saving people money, but instead the deep social problems that pop-personal development causes.  Is James Arthur Ray a cause or a symptom?  I think symptom, he filled a niche that our culture seemingly wanted.  I don&#039;t for a second believe that absolves him of guilt, but it does describe why these gurus come to power.   
 
Thanks for the insight. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tyler,  </p>
<p>As a lightly alluded to in this post, I don&#039;t think the cookie cutter offerings really work.  I for one am not concerned with saving people money, but instead the deep social problems that pop-personal development causes.  Is James Arthur Ray a cause or a symptom?  I think symptom, he filled a niche that our culture seemingly wanted.  I don&#039;t for a second believe that absolves him of guilt, but it does describe why these gurus come to power.   </p>
<p>Thanks for the insight.</p>
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